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		<title>By: webwright</title>
		<link>http://www.tonywright.com/2010/a-designer-in-support-of-design-contests/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>webwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That point (the sophistication point) is a GREAT one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This isn&#039;t going to kill the design market any more than off-shoring is&lt;br&gt;going to kill the need for developers.  But it is going to require designers&lt;br&gt;to up their game as the transactional stuff moves offshore.  Need a quick&lt;br&gt;logo for a new business?  99Designs is the answer.  Need a &lt;a href=&quot;http://WordPress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WordPress.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;blog set up?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://eLance.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eLance.com&lt;/a&gt; might be the answer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But much of design and coding is iterative, ongoing, and requires a deep&lt;br&gt;discovery process.  That&#039;s VERY hard to offshore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That point (the sophistication point) is a GREAT one.</p>
<p>This isn&#39;t going to kill the design market any more than off-shoring is<br />going to kill the need for developers.  But it is going to require designers<br />to up their game as the transactional stuff moves offshore.  Need a quick<br />logo for a new business?  99Designs is the answer.  Need a <a href="http://WordPress.com" rel="nofollow">WordPress.com</a><br />blog set up?  <a href="http://eLance.com" rel="nofollow">eLance.com</a> might be the answer.</p>
<p>But much of design and coding is iterative, ongoing, and requires a deep<br />discovery process.  That&#39;s VERY hard to offshore.</p>
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		<title>By: webwright</title>
		<link>http://www.tonywright.com/2010/a-designer-in-support-of-design-contests/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>webwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That point (the sophistication point) is a GREAT one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This isn&#039;t going to kill the design market any more than off-shoring is&lt;br&gt;going to kill the need for developers.  But it is going to require designers&lt;br&gt;to up their game as the transactional stuff moves offshore.  Need a quick&lt;br&gt;logo for a new business?  99Designs is the answer.  Need a &lt;a href=&quot;http://WordPress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WordPress.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;blog set up?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://eLance.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eLance.com&lt;/a&gt; might be the answer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But much of design and coding is iterative, ongoing, and requires a deep&lt;br&gt;discovery process.  That&#039;s VERY hard to offshore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That point (the sophistication point) is a GREAT one.</p>
<p>This isn&#39;t going to kill the design market any more than off-shoring is<br />going to kill the need for developers.  But it is going to require designers<br />to up their game as the transactional stuff moves offshore.  Need a quick<br />logo for a new business?  99Designs is the answer.  Need a <a href="http://WordPress.com" rel="nofollow">WordPress.com</a><br />blog set up?  <a href="http://eLance.com" rel="nofollow">eLance.com</a> might be the answer.</p>
<p>But much of design and coding is iterative, ongoing, and requires a deep<br />discovery process.  That&#39;s VERY hard to offshore.</p>
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		<title>By: jaiken</title>
		<link>http://www.tonywright.com/2010/a-designer-in-support-of-design-contests/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>jaiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I couldn’t have said it better myself. However, I would add that the design market is growing in sophistication and there is growth at the middle and the top end. Designers, especially in the US, need to elevate their game and clearly demonstrate value in order to justify the higher cost.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;UI/UX design is a great example of design that is not particularly transactional, is in great demand and ultimately for the savvy businesses that are seriously thinking about it - is worth the spend.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers,&lt;br&gt;Jason&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://99designs.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;99designs.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony,</p>
<p>I couldn’t have said it better myself. However, I would add that the design market is growing in sophistication and there is growth at the middle and the top end. Designers, especially in the US, need to elevate their game and clearly demonstrate value in order to justify the higher cost.</p>
<p>UI/UX design is a great example of design that is not particularly transactional, is in great demand and ultimately for the savvy businesses that are seriously thinking about it &#8211; is worth the spend.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Jason<br /><a href="http://99designs.com" rel="nofollow">99designs.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.tonywright.com/2010/a-designer-in-support-of-design-contests/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 04:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The forces that enable crowdsourcing are being used to get thousands of people to do work for free, with a chance of getting paid only if their work is selected for use.&quot;&lt;br&gt;---&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t understand this argument.  What makes freelance designers think they&#039;re entitled to be paid on a per design or per hour basis rather than a spec basis?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plenty of other businesses operate on business models where they do a bunch of work and only get paid some of the time.  I don&#039;t understand the mentality of exceptionalism held by designers that makes them think they&#039;re different. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The bottom line is that the difference between a business owner and an employee is that the employee gets paid no matter what, while the owner risks doing a bunch of work and not getting paid.  Freelance designers, who are basically business owners, insisting on getting paid no matter what want to have their cake and eat it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The forces that enable crowdsourcing are being used to get thousands of people to do work for free, with a chance of getting paid only if their work is selected for use.&#8221;<br />&#8212;<br />I don&#39;t understand this argument.  What makes freelance designers think they&#39;re entitled to be paid on a per design or per hour basis rather than a spec basis?</p>
<p>Plenty of other businesses operate on business models where they do a bunch of work and only get paid some of the time.  I don&#39;t understand the mentality of exceptionalism held by designers that makes them think they&#39;re different. </p>
<p>The bottom line is that the difference between a business owner and an employee is that the employee gets paid no matter what, while the owner risks doing a bunch of work and not getting paid.  Freelance designers, who are basically business owners, insisting on getting paid no matter what want to have their cake and eat it too.</p>
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		<title>By: webwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>webwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 21:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Scott-- Great article!  Thanks for passing it on.  I&#039;d LOVE to see the&lt;br&gt;survey you mentioned sent to 99Designs&#039; designers to get some richer data.&lt;br&gt; I think you probably surveyed your userbase (who I imagine are the cream of&lt;br&gt;the crop, professionally speaking).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(big fan of Behance, by the way!)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d be interested to know if you think a logo design contest with a $100k&lt;br&gt;prize would be &quot;exploitive&quot;.  If not, then I think we need to look at the&lt;br&gt;economics for the people who are participating here (which I&#039;m guessing are&lt;br&gt;aspiring designers and low-end designers in places where a $500 bounty is a&lt;br&gt;ton of money).  To me, whether it&#039;s spending $10,000 of worth of time and&lt;br&gt;money whipping up a great proposal for a shot at a huge project  or spending&lt;br&gt;2 hours tossing a logo together for a $500 contest, the ethics of it come&lt;br&gt;down the the risk/reward.  Are design contests imposing too much painful&lt;br&gt;risk on a population of people who have no choice but to endure it?  I just&lt;br&gt;don&#039;t think that&#039;s the case outside of the (very rich) western countries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regardless, I&#039;ve only met happy customers who&#039;ve used 99Designs for&lt;br&gt;&quot;transactional&quot; work (like logos or small, discrete projects).  And clearly&lt;br&gt;they have a steadily growing base of participating designers.  When you have&lt;br&gt;satisfied workers and happy customers, the genie isn&#039;t going back into the&lt;br&gt;bottle.  It&#039;s sad for the US, but a big win for the rest of the world and&lt;br&gt;(of course) the people who need to buy transactional stuff like this and are&lt;br&gt;on a tight budget.  I think the place where pro designers can offer the most&lt;br&gt;value (broader campaigns, rich/full identity packages, and of course&lt;br&gt;interactive stuff) will probably be relatively unscathed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tony Wright, founder of &lt;a href=&quot;http://rescuetime.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rescuetime.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.rescuetime.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.rescuetime.com&lt;/a&gt; (company blog)&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tonywright.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tonywright.com&lt;/a&gt; (personal blog)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott&#8211; Great article!  Thanks for passing it on.  I&#39;d LOVE to see the<br />survey you mentioned sent to 99Designs&#39; designers to get some richer data.<br /> I think you probably surveyed your userbase (who I imagine are the cream of<br />the crop, professionally speaking).</p>
<p>(big fan of Behance, by the way!)</p>
<p>I&#39;d be interested to know if you think a logo design contest with a $100k<br />prize would be &#8220;exploitive&#8221;.  If not, then I think we need to look at the<br />economics for the people who are participating here (which I&#39;m guessing are<br />aspiring designers and low-end designers in places where a $500 bounty is a<br />ton of money).  To me, whether it&#39;s spending $10,000 of worth of time and<br />money whipping up a great proposal for a shot at a huge project  or spending<br />2 hours tossing a logo together for a $500 contest, the ethics of it come<br />down the the risk/reward.  Are design contests imposing too much painful<br />risk on a population of people who have no choice but to endure it?  I just<br />don&#39;t think that&#39;s the case outside of the (very rich) western countries.</p>
<p>Regardless, I&#39;ve only met happy customers who&#39;ve used 99Designs for<br />&#8220;transactional&#8221; work (like logos or small, discrete projects).  And clearly<br />they have a steadily growing base of participating designers.  When you have<br />satisfied workers and happy customers, the genie isn&#39;t going back into the<br />bottle.  It&#39;s sad for the US, but a big win for the rest of the world and<br />(of course) the people who need to buy transactional stuff like this and are<br />on a tight budget.  I think the place where pro designers can offer the most<br />value (broader campaigns, rich/full identity packages, and of course<br />interactive stuff) will probably be relatively unscathed.</p>
<p>Tony Wright, founder of <a href="http://rescuetime.com" rel="nofollow">http://rescuetime.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.rescuetime.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.rescuetime.com</a> (company blog)<br /><a href="http://tonywright.com" rel="nofollow">http://tonywright.com</a> (personal blog)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see this discussion/debate continue. I think better business models will leverage the forces behind crowdsourcing in more sustainable (and less concerning) ways...  A few thoughts on the matter in this BusinessWeek op-ed that I would add to the debate: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/a5fnlQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/a5fnlQ&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see this discussion/debate continue. I think better business models will leverage the forces behind crowdsourcing in more sustainable (and less concerning) ways&#8230;  A few thoughts on the matter in this BusinessWeek op-ed that I would add to the debate: <a href="http://bit.ly/a5fnlQ" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/a5fnlQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug Petkanics</title>
		<link>http://www.tonywright.com/2010/a-designer-in-support-of-design-contests/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Petkanics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree with the post. As a believer in markets in general, people who try and prevent market conditions from evolving are just delaying the inevitable. Every day as technology changes the landscape it&#039;s going to be harder and harder for people set in the old mindsets to adapt to the new markets. They&#039;d be better served improving their skillsets or marketing themselves than complaining about encroaching undercutters. Let their work speak for itself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By the way, there was definitely outrage in the old-guard photography industry around iStock and the bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree with the post. As a believer in markets in general, people who try and prevent market conditions from evolving are just delaying the inevitable. Every day as technology changes the landscape it&#39;s going to be harder and harder for people set in the old mindsets to adapt to the new markets. They&#39;d be better served improving their skillsets or marketing themselves than complaining about encroaching undercutters. Let their work speak for itself.</p>
<p>By the way, there was definitely outrage in the old-guard photography industry around iStock and the bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: blueboxjesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueboxjesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Tony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Tony.</p>
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